Pictured in the two photographs below: Your faithful and objective investigative reporter InspectorSmith (Lucas Daniel Smith) and his ardent research assistant in the midst of a reading up on presidential eligibility related data and also doing a little laundry.
What birth certificate or evidence of birth did Barack Hussein Obama II use when he applied for his first US Passport?
I understand that as [de facto] President of the United States of America, Barack Obama has a new, presidential, passport:
Furthermore, while Barack Obama served as US Senator from Illinois (2005 thru 2008) I’m not certain whether or not he was issued a unique government passport.
I am however somewhat certain that as a Illinois State Senator (1997 thru 2004), Barack Obama, was not issued a unique passport. Like most other state senators and congressmen/women he probably would have used the same sort of US passport that any other citizen of the USA would have used.
Barring, excluding or aside from Barack Hussein Obama II’s birth in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, in the year 1961, when was the first time that Obama traveled outside of the physical confines and boundaries of the United States of America?
The reason I ask is because I’d like to know approximately what year that Obama applied for his first US Passport.
From my reading (and my review posted at scribd.com) of his brother George Obama’s book, “Homeland: An Extraordinary Story of Hope and Survival“, at pages 17 thru 18, I’ve ascertained that, according to his brother George Obama, Barack Hussein Obama II was in Kenya at some point in or around the the year 1987 (or perhaps 1988).
I’ve also read, elsewhere, that Obama traveled to Pakistan (and Indonesia) in the year 1981. It appears that his travel to Pakistan was not known to the general public prior to some point in the year 2008 when Obama was campaigning for Office of US President. It appears that Obama himself made the admission at a 2008 fundraiser in San Francisco, California when he stated, “…I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college — I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.”
We also understand, from numerous sources, that Obama lived in Indonesia for approximately four (or perhaps more?) years as a child. Most sources list 1967 thru 1971.
In the 1960s, or specifically 1967, did the child of a US citizen mother need a US passport to travel internationally? In other words, did Obama’s mother apply for a US passport for her child, Barack Obama, at some point in or prior to the year 1967?
Or was a US passport not obtained until some point later in, or near, 1981 when Obama traveled to Pakistan and Indonesia as an adult? Some have speculated that Obama traveled under a foreign passport in 1981. I have not been able to affirm or substantiate such claims nor have I have been able to discredit such claims.
If Obama didn’t have a US passport by, or in, the year 1981 surely he must have applied for one prior to his 1987 (0r perhaps 1988) travel to Kenya?
There was a time when the US Passport Office permanently retained the tangible birth evidence supplied in applications submitted for US passports. I have the US Passport Office, US Department of State and the US Passport Office’s then Director, R.B. Shipley, on record stating just that on a tangible document that is titled, RETENTION OF BIRTH EVIDENCE (year 1953):
“The evidence of birth submitted in connection with your application for a passport is being retained in the Department’s files since it establishes your acquisition of American citizenship and the right to apply for a passport of this Government. If you desire a copy of such evidence for your personal use, it may usually be obtained from the original source of issue. In those infrequent instances where this is not possible, the Department will furnish a photostatic copy of the evidence you submitted upon the receipt of an appropriate request.
“In view of the pressure of other work and the limited personnel facilities available to this Office, copies of such evidence should not be requested except in cases of actual need. The evidence of birth you submitted is in safekeeping in the files of this Office should you find it necessary to obtain a copy thereof at some future date. Your passport itself is evidence of the date and place of your birth as well as of your American citizenship.”
The original birth evidence documentation submitted in the passport application was not, at any point, returned to you. Said documentation was held in safekeeping in the files of the US Passport Office. Additionally, if you needed a copy of your birth evidence you were advised to seek such a copy from the original source of issue. Only as a last resort would the US Passport Office supply you with a ‘photostatic’ copy of the birth documentation that you supplied in your passport application. Your original and tangible birth document was not, at any point, returned to you.
I have the above referenced document in my personal possession and have subsequently scanned and uploaded to my Patriot1980 scribd.com account for review and embedded it below:
When (what year) did the US Passport Office, Department of State, United States of America, stop retaining the documentation supplied as evidence of birth in applications submitted for passports?
I applied for my first US Passport in the year 2006 after learning that it was probably going to become a law, as early as sometime in 2007 in the United States of America, that I could no longer travel back to the USA from the Dominican Republic using my birth certificate and state drivers license/identification card.
For the record, I used my ‘short form‘ birth certificate (Iowa) as evidence of birth in the USA when I applying for my US Passport. I applied for my passport at a United States Post Office in Los Angeles, California. At the time that I submitted my passport application I learned that my tangible birth certificate would be attached with the application and that my tangible birth certificate would be returned to me, along with my newly issued US passport, in a couple of weeks in the US postal mail.
At some point in time, prior (probably much prior) to my 2006 passport application, the policy of the retaining birth evidence must have changed. When it changed I do not know.
I’d like to know two things:
a. When (what year) did the US Passport Office, Department of State change their policy of retaining birth evidence.
b. When (what year) did Barack Hussein Obama II apply for his first US Passport?
If the US Passport Office, Department of State did retain the birth evidence (birth certificate/birth record) that was submitted in Barack Hussein Obama II’s first passport application is that birth certificate/birth record the same document that was released to the public in April, 2011:
Barack Obama Birth Certificate Long Form. 1961, Hawaii. Certificate of Live Birth.
Or was the birth evidence slightly different?
If it was a Hawaiian birth record/document did it reflect that the birth was recorded by way of an affidavit rather than Hawaiian hospital/doctor documentation?
Alternatively, though probably less likely, is it possible that the birth evidence might have been a report or a certificate issued by the US Government which reflected the birth of a US citizen abroad?
I challenge and implore the readers of this blog to help me with this particular investigation. Put on your thinking caps and fill the comments sections below with your thoughts, ideas, opinions, hunches, recommendations and corrections!
Thank you!
Lucas, I seem to remember this coming up quite while back on your utube forum. If memory serves me, someone got a report that he had never applied for an American passport, and did not have one until he was given one as a perk of his office when he became a Senator. There is no record of a background check by the FBI.
He wrote in one of his books that he did travel to Indonesia, Pakistan and Kenya in 1981. It was reported that he traveled with an Indonesian passport under his legal name by adoption, Barry Soetoro.
Excellent job as always. Thank you.
Most likely the supplied documentation was as in your case, a sc “short form”. Incidentally your testimony that a “short form” is sufficient to obtain a passport contradicts the internet legend about “short forms not being accepte even for little league”. Remember that Hawaii, against the prevailing interpretation they gave to their own rules, released a copy of the “long form” following a specific request from the White House pressed by incessant birther rumours about “fake certificate”, “birth abroad” and “ineligibility”. I sincerely doubt any such pressure existed when Obama requested his passport: he most probably submitted the only document Hawaii was issuing for all passport requests: the sc Certification of Live Birth aka “short form”
Here is all you need to know about what a Hawaiian bc should contain in the cases of:
– affidavits
– amendments
– foreign births
– late births
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=chapter%208a%20(delayed%20birth%20registration)%22%20hawaii&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgen.doh.hawaii.gov%2Fsites%2Fhar%2FAdmRules1%2F8%25208A%2520B%2520VR%2520Admin%2520Rules.pdf&ei=lu3ZTqaKCMPntQaGis2JDA&usg=AFQjCNFg9bl4sWj-_SNO1XkCflTllahBKQ&cad=rja
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
“… did Obama’s mother apply for a US passport for her child, Barack Obama, at some point in or prior to the year 1967?
Or was a US passport not obtained until some point later in, or near, 1981 when Obama traveled to Pakistan and Indonesia as an adult? Some have speculated that Obama traveled under a foreign passport in 1981. I have not been able to affirm or substantiate such claims nor have I have been able to discredit such claims.
If Obama didn’t have a US passport by, or in, the year 1981 surely he must have applied for one prior to his 1987 (0r perhaps 1988) travel to Kenya?
— b. When (what year) did Barack Hussein Obama II apply for his first US Passport?
I certainly can not provide a definitive answer to this question. However, let me revisit a story, which I am sure is already well known to many readers of this blog. At the least, it may perhaps generate some additional thoughts from others regarding the topic.
Mondo Frazier posted a 10/28/2011 article titled, “Who Is Barack Obama?” on American Thinker. The article is linked below and I have quoted a few pertinent paragraphs from the article.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/who_is_barack_obama.html
“As usual, when Obama is the subject, Americans can’t count on the progressives in the Corporate Mainstream Media (CMM) for much help. So, what’s one to do? The foreign press proved helpful. Therefore, gleaned from the foreign press: a few stories which didn’t rate any coverage from the U.S. CMM.
In 2005, then-Senator Barack Obama went on a mission to Russia with Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN). The newly-minted U.S. senator was invited to be part of a Russian fact-finding tour that inspected a nuclear weapons site in Perm, Siberia. The base Lugar and Obama visited was where mobile launch missiles were being destroyed under the Cooperative Threat Reduction program (CTR), which also went by the name of the Nunn-Lugar program.
What happened next — after the inspections were over — was at the time reported by several foreign news sources but was never reported in the USA by the CMM. The Russians detained Obama and Lugar for three hours at the airport, demanding to examine both Obama’s and Lugar’s passports and search their plane. Some sources reported that the Russians accused Barack Obama of being a spy.
But wait — there’s more!
According to an Italian source, the Russians did not accuse Obama of being an American spy; they accused him of being a spy for the British! The report went on to say that the incident ended up involving the White House, the U.S. State Department, and military officials, along with their counterparts in Moscow.
Strangely enough, an official report from Lugar’s office about the trip never mentioned the incident. Neither did Barack Obama in 2008 when he was desperate to exhibit some foreign policy chops.
One other oddity: in the fall of 2008, Obama admitted on his Fightthesmears.com site that he had held dual citizenship with both the United States and Great Britain (the site explained that this was due to Barack Obama, Sr. being a foreign national) until 1982. Did the Russians know something about Obama’s citizenship in 2005 that ordinary Americans don’t know in 2011?”
The San Francisco Gate re-posted the below linked 8/29/2005 article concerning the detention of Lugar and Obama, under the caption, “U.S. delegation detained, release in Russian Airport / 3-hour impasse over search before Senate group left for Ukraine. The original article was posted by Peter Finn in The Washington Post.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-08-29/news/17385399_1_delegation-nuclear-warheads-russian-ministry
Free Republic ran a thread, linked below, titled, “CLOAK’S AUG 2005 STORY EXPOSING OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTHPLACE FORCES SANITIZING PASSPORT”, which was started 9/15/2009 by ‘cycle of discernment’. I have quoted below a brief excerpt from the referenced source.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2340129/posts
“Co-host Sherman Skolnick prior to the 2004 Election fingered Barack Obama running in Illinois for the U.S. Senate as a British Intel agent born in Kenya. Skolnick, as a co-spy watcher unmasked Obama on his regular CLOAK program, Shop Talk From Plot H.Q.”
At the very least, the above seems to indicate that there MIGHT have been something a bit ‘strange’ about Obama’s passport as late as August 2005. It does not seem possible that he would still be traveling at age 44, and as a U.S. Senator under a British passport, but who knows?
We do know Obama HATES America and ,we do know his AUDACITY (impudence) knows no upper limit!
Regarding QUALIFICATIONS for the office of U.S. Senator — According to the official Senate.gov site, linked below – “No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen. [U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 3, clause 3]”
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Constitutional_Qualifications_Senators.htm
Nope: Doesn’t say anything about a U.S. Senator being REQUIRED to travel under a U.S. Passport!
Bruce wrote:
I forgot to thank you for your comment in this blog report. In your above referenced comment you’ve supplied us with pertinent and significantly advantageous data regarding Barack Obama’s passports (perhaps issued by more than one country) and possible spy activity. The links you supplied us with are invaluable.
I plan to publish a ‘Part 2’ of this blog report which will entail a discussion regarding the data that you have supplied us with. Thank you so much and I’m sorry that it tool nearly three weeks to post this reply comment.
I wish you a first-rate merry Christmas!
I read a couple of yrs ago that as a U.S. Senator, 0bama was detained in Russia, accused of being a British spy. Here is something about it:http://americanreporter.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/russia-holds-obama-for-suspicion-of-being-a-british-spy-back-in-2005-investigator-in-chicago-fingers-obama-for-being-a-british-spy-as-far-back-as-2004/
Obama traveled to Indonesia on his mother’s passport. When she renewed her passport while in Indonesia at the American Embassy, it was just for herself. He was not issued one there. You need to check for his record of a passport in Indonesia.
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