eBay: President George Herbert Walker Bush official and certified (signed and embossed seal) birth certificate.

Is it now okay (no, it’s not) to eBay auction a living President’s official certified copy of birth record?   It wasn’t a few years ago when I put up a 2009 certified copy of Barack Hussein Obama II’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital (CPGH), Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, Certificate of Birth.

George Herbert Walker Bush, 41st President of the USA, born June 12, 1924 is still living.

An eBayer using the handle “savage5176” has, today, January 13, 2013, put up an auction for, “President George H.W. Bush Birth Certificate dated and stamped his inauguration“.

Listing/item # 230910926618

Starting bid (not yet placed):  $499.95

Buy it now:  $5000.00

Savagae516, an eBayer since September 25, 2005 and with a feedback score of 91 (100%) provides us with the following provenance for the document:

I found this in a 1993 Rand McNally Road Atlas in a GoodWill in Auburn ME. The Bush’s live in Kennebunkport.

This certified copy was issued by the Town of Milton and is signed, sealed (embossed seal) and stamped by the Town Clerk.   The original document, a Return of Birth, was issued on June 13, 1924 by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Office of the Secretary, Division of Vital Statistics and contains the name/signature of attendant (doctor) at birth but does not appear to contain the name nor the signature of the Registrar.

It should also be noted that this certified copy of birth record was issued on inauguration day, January 20, 1989 when George H. W. Bush became POTUS.

The document up for auction appears to be the real MacKay:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
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10 Responses to eBay: President George Herbert Walker Bush official and certified (signed and embossed seal) birth certificate.

  1. Bruce says:

    Lucas,

    Methinks that if an OBAMA OPERATIVE placed for auction on eBay back in 2009, an inauguration-related, ‘certified’ copy of OBAMA’S FORGED HAWAIIAN LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, the process would probably have been totally OK with EVERYONE then in a position of power! That would have included folks at both eBay and in the Obama Administration.

    That auction, had it occurred, might even have become the subject of an ‘advertisement’ article in the New York Times. LOL

    It will be interesting to learn if eBay soon shuts down the current auction for the BC of George H.W. Bush!

  2. Daniel Van Koughnett says:

    So Lucas, do the people who comment on your site ever question the Kenyan BC you dangled forth, knowing that you are a convicted forger?

  3. Bruce wrote:

    Lucas,
    Methinks that if an OBAMA OPERATIVE placed for auction on eBay back in 2009, an inauguration-related, ‘certified’ copy of OBAMA’S FORGED HAWAIIAN LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, the process would probably have been totally OK with EVERYONE then in a position of power! That would have included folks at both eBay and in the Obama Administration.
    That auction, had it occurred, might even have become the subject of an ‘advertisement’ article in the New York Times. LOL
    It will be interesting to learn if eBay soon shuts down the current auction for the BC of George H.W. Bush!

    I agree!

  4. ARNOLD CARL TAPP says:

    @ Daniel Van Koughnett:
    >>> HEY DAN VAN KRAPHEAD ~ YOU ASKED A QUESTION , SO S T F U
    AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE ANSWER . MANY OF US HAVE FOLLOWED THIS DISCUSSION FOR MORE THAN 4 YEARS , AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD OF ONE SINGLE CHALLENGE TO THE AUTHENTIC KENYAN DOCUMENT THAT IS THE ONLY TRUE EVIDENCE OF THE ‘ HATCHING ‘ OF badrak ” insane ” obummer .

  5. Greatkim says:

    Sure you noticed that Bush’s is a certified copy.

  6. Greatkim wrote:

    Sure you noticed that Bush’s is a certified copy.

    Of course it is a certified copy, just as Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate is a certified copy. Nearly all official birth certificates are certified copies. Even the two inaccurate Hawaiian Obama birth certificates are purported certified copies. I’m not sure what your point is. When is the last time that you, or anyone that you’ve ever heard of, has obtained their original (i.e., not a certified copy of the original) government birth certificate? Never. So what is your point?

  7. Greatkim says:

    @ Lucas Daniel Smith:

    the point you made is the point I wanted to make.

  8. Greatkim says:

    @ Lucas Daniel Smith: Of course it is a certified copy, just as Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate is a certified copy

    The Kenyan is the only certified copy that doesn’t state so. It states “certificate of birth“.

  9. Greatkim wrote:

    The Kenyan is the only certified copy that doesn’t state so. It states “certificate of birth“.

    Certificates of birth do to tend be titled, “Certificate of Birth” at the head of the document. Are you stating that birth certificates which are titled, “Certificate of Birth” are fraudulent?

    Great Kim, you are a nitpicker. You possess the same skill set that most jailhouse lawyers (inmates in prison who play attorney) have. They nitpick the law to the point where they are sometimes banned from filling additional ‘1983‘s or are restricted from filing them for free, i.e., (in forma pauperis).

    Additionally, I’ve read post-conviction arguments in which prison nitpickers have claimed that their sentence was invalid because the judge mistakenly referred to the defendant as a 37 years old when in fact the defendant was a 39 year old, or the sentence is invalid because judge was really not a judge that day because he was not wearing the appropriate officer of the Court attire, or the judge did not bang his gavel after he sentenced the defendant, and the use and definition of the word “may” and “shall” have been nitpicked and taken out of context and used as grounds for attempting to acquire a new trial in post-conviction filings.

    I remember that you, Great Kim, also, aside for your recent nitpick, once made the claim that a hospital birth certificate would need to state, in words on the documents, that the child was born in/at hospital’s name and that it was not implied, by the hospital certificate itself, that the child was born at that hospital unless the hospital birth certificate specifically said so, in words. You pointed out that Obama’s 1961 CPGH birth certificate did not say so and that without saying so that the CPGH, Mombasa, Certificate of Birth does not imply that the child (Obama) was born in Mombasa or anywhere in Kenya or even Africa.

    Before I close here let me say that while many jailhouse lawyers are nitpickers, and other inmates often keep a distance from these ‘bugs’, there is a select breed of jailhouse lawyers who are extremely effective and efficient litigators. They are disciplined individuals who know where to draw line. I started working for one such jailhouse attorney in the year 2000 when we met in the R & S units (I believe we were on the R side) at Oakdale (I.M.C.C.) in Iowa. Oakdale is a prison which all Iowa state prisoners are processes through each time they are sent to prison. Average stay is about 1.5 to 2 months. Oakdale does have a G.P. (general population) but usually there’d have to be something extraordinarily atypical about an inmate for him to serve his entire prison sentence there. Oakdale also houses the prisoners who have been “civilly committed” after their original prison sentences have been completed. (I never understood how the State could have that sort of power to keep a man in prison after he completed his sentence, and I still don’t understand today.)

    I wont give his full name out yet, but his last name was Archer and he was in his mid 30s back then (I myself was 20 years old). He approached me in the unit and asked me if I’d like to work as his clerk, mainly at that point as a typist. At Oakdale he was sort of infamous for drafting two types of filings:

    1. Notice of Appeal (prisoners with access to money, typically a couple grand) could bond out after this was filed, on what is known in Iowa as an ‘appeal bond’. I note here that most of the prisoners weren’t aware that they only needed to file the Notice of Appeal and that soon after that was filed that they could post bond and walk directly out of the front doors of the Oakdale prison. I also note here that every single Notice of Appeal that I typed up, all were one page in length, which Arhcer would draft in pencil on yellow legal tablet, were for black American inmates who’d plead guilty in Court and where just now realizing that they could get out of prison, at least for a few months, on an appeal bond.

    2. Motion for Reconsideration of Sentence aka “90 Day Shock” filings. These were typically a few pages in length, sometimes several. I typed these for both black and white Americans, after the filings were drafted by, of course, Archer. Typically these only succeed if it was the prisoner’s first time in prison, non-violent crimes, or lots of times if the sentencing judge had already mentioned the possibility of such a motion during the original sentencing. It also sometimes worked for snitches and informants.

    Since a stay at Oakdale typically lasted only 1.5 to 2 months there wasn’t really any serious post conviction work available. I was also made use of by Archer as sort of a liaison between him and black American prisoners. I interviewed a number of black Americans and reported my findings to Archer and he subsequently drafted their Notice of Appeal or their Motion for Reconsideration.

    As luck would have it, both Archer and I were both transferred to same prison, Newton(medium site).

    At that point my responsibilities increased (so did my pay, usually in prison tokens) but no matter what I was doing, I still was the typist, and spent many long hours slaving over a prison typewriter.

    I should be noted here that what Archer and I were doing was wholly against prison rules and policy. Inmates are not allowed to start business within the prison, and especially not a ‘nefarious’ lucrative ($$$) one such as being paid by other inmates for legal representation. Archer was the attorney, and I was clerk.

    Great Kim, please feel free to continue onward with your nitpicking. In fact, I implore you to do so because I encourage and advocate freedom of speech. I would however recommend a little discipline. However, you may do as you please.

  10. Bruce says:

    Florida judge approves birth certificate listing three parents

    Yahoo News/Canada

    Reuters
    Kevin Gray
    2/7/2013

    Excerpt:

    MIAMI (Reuters) – A Florida judge has approved the adoption of a 22-month-old baby girl that will list three people as parents on her birth certificate — a married lesbian couple and a gay man.

    The decision ends a two-year paternity fight between the couple and a friend of the women who donated his sperm to father the child but later sought a larger role in the girl’s life.

    The ruling means the child’s birth certificate will include a biological father and both women as parents in an unusual arrangement approved recently by a Miami-Dade Circuit Court judge.

    The women, Maria Italiano, 43, and Cher Filippazzo, 38, had made several unsuccessful attempts to become parents using fertility clinics.

    They then turned to Italiano’s hair dresser, Massimiliano Gerina, and asked if he would provide his sperm for artificial insemination.

    “When push came to shove, they figured he would understand the situation,” said Kenneth Kaplan, an attorney for the women.

    “The mistake they made, however, was there should have been a written document spelling out what his rights and responsibilities were going to be.”

    According to Filippazzo, the three reached a verbal agreement before Italiano became pregnant. Filipazzo said the agreement meant she would adopt the baby and the two women, a longtime couple, would raise the child together.

    But shortly before the baby was born, Gerina decided he wanted to be considered a parent and not a sperm donor. The women disagreed. Under Florida law, sperm donors have no legal rights to children.
    ………………………………….

    View the complete article at:

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-judge-approves-birth-certificate-listing-three-parents-233555185.html

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