The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America

Tim Adams book The Barack H Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New MediaTim Adams (former Hawaii elections clerk) wrote and published a book?

The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America.

It appears that it was published by Lambert Academic Publishing (LAP) on August 24th 2011.

I wasn’t aware of the book until today.

LAP is a subsidiary of VDM (Verlag Dr Müller) Publishing which is a German publishing group based in Saarbrücken, Germany.

Adam’s book is available for purchase at Amazon.  The listing prices are in the $70.00 to $85.00 range.

The book (paperback), as it appears on Amazon, purports to consist of 116 pages.  It appears that there are no reviews of the book and it is likely that the book may consist of a thesis or an academic paper written by Adams.

The Amazon listing offers the following regarding the book:

“I guess I need to tell you where I am and why.” Timothy Adams, a long-time critic of the Bush Administration’s illegal wars and policies, gets tapped by the political base in Honolulu, Hawaii to manage one of the state offices charged with verifying voter and candidate identification and balloting for the national electoral cycle of 2008. He is present when the controversy over the candidacy of then Senator Barack H. Obama, who claims to have been born “in hospital,” “in Hawaii,” breaks; first on the local and then the national scene. In the face of mounting evidence that the senator’s biography is a manufactured fiction; Adams tells of gag orders, switched stories, political intrigues, and the moneyed interests that backed the political rise of one of the new century’s most influential politicians. What happens when he himself becomes a target for the vicious machinations of modern American politics? Can freedom survive in the growing surveillance/police state that is Post 9-11 America? In the course of a year full of personal attacks and in the face of state intimidation, Adams tells us what he learns about his nation, his self, and the brave, new world emerging in his home.

The ISBNs are as follow:   ISBN-10: 3845440082 and ISBN-13: 978-3845440088.

I’m surprised that I’ve never heard or read anything about the book (published almost 3 years ago), not even a reference from WND (World Net Daily) who promoted Adams.

The link for the Amazon listing is here.

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UPDATE 08.03.2014:   Read Mr. Adams’ Master’s Thesis (essentially the same verbatim content that his book consists of) here: Discourse and Conflict: The President Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media.

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59 Responses to The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America

  1. Bruce says:

    Adam’s book (only one copy left) also appears to be available on eBay at a ‘Buy it Now’ price of $91.85

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-The-Barack-H-Obama-Birth-Certificate-Controversy-and-the-New-Media-by-Timot-/360714849333

    As I understand the eBay presentation, the item is not open for bidding, but just for ‘Buy it Now’ purchase. However, I am not that familiar with eBay purchasing so I may be wrong on this.

    — PRETTY DAMN EXPENSIVE FOR A 116 PAGE PAPERBACK, THAT APPARENTLY VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THE BIRTHER COMMUNITY HAVE EVER HEARD OF, AND PUBLISHED THREE YEARS AGO!

    Hmmmm! I wonder what group of folks are apparently willing to pay the exorbitant price to learn what Mr. Adams has to say?

    And, more importantly, HOW and WHY has this book been kept a secret from the usual channels of birther communication for three years?

  2. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    when is he coming ?

  3. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    When are you coming?

  4. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

    One year later, Adams changed his stance.

  5. Bruce says:

    The following was a comment by ‘Guest’ at about 11:20 on 7/30/2014 to the below-linked Birther Report article.

    The comment by ‘Guest’ was made in reply to my posting of a comment referencing the current blog article by LDS.

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/07/listen-live-col-lawrence-sellin-phd.html

    10June2010

    “WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

    “His title was senior elections clerk in 2008,” said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

    Takahashi also confirmed Adams’ time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.

    “We hire temporary workers, because we’re seasonal,” he said.

    However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, “We don’t have access to that kind of records. [There’s] no access to birth records.”

    Adams responded, “They may say, ‘We don’t have access to that.’ The regular workers don’t, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting.””

    http://www.wnd.com/2010/06/165041/

  6. Larry Bland says:

    @ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Andy boy, we should take a look at a you tube posted by you a RACIST sympathizer why??????????

  7. It seems that Adams is (or was) overly sensitive to criticism and insults. In nearly every video I’ve ever seen him in he’s always addressing people who have watched his videos or made comments elsewhere about him.

    Being thin skinned can sometimes lead to making embarrassing, unreasonable and extremely subjective comments.

    I understand why Adams did not vote for Romney & Ryan 2012. I wouldn’t have voted for them either. However, I would NOT have given my vote to Obama & Biden 2012 either.

    I would have voted for Ron Paul 2012.

  8. Bruce says:

    Here is a another comment entered by ‘Guest’ in reply to the above referenced Birther Report article:

    24January2011

    “His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama’s birth-certificate records.

    “During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”

    As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

    “Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”

    In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/254401/

  9. Bruce says:

    Based on the reference in ‘Rambo Ike’s” helpful comment above, I think it is very likely that Tim Adams’ 106 page pdf Masters Thesis is similar, if not identical, to his 116 page book, “The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America”

    Mr. Adams’ Master’s Thesis is identified as:

    Discourse and Conflict: The President Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media

    by Timothy Lee Adams
    Western Kentucky University TopSCHOLAR
    Master’s Thesis and Specialist Projects – Graduate School
    5-1-2011

    SEE ESPECIALLY: Pages 30 – 35

    See the above comment by ‘Rambo Ike’ for a link to the Master’s Thesis pdf

  10. @ Rambo Ike:

    Thanks, I am going read the linked Master’s Thesis (by Adams) now.

  11. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    waiting for him !

  12. Great Kim says:

    @ Heltan M. Maganga:

    waiting for him WHERE ?

  13. Greatest Kim says:

    @ Heltan M. Maganga:

    waiting for HE, WHERE ?

  14. Great Kim says:

    @ Heltan M. Maganga:

    waiting for HE, the Lucas Smith, WHERE ?

  15. PATRIOT says:

    @ Heltan M. Maganga:

    WAITING WHERE ?

  16. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    Hi, my name is Heltan – not Helton – H E L T A N !
    I’m from Mobasa.
    I am a surgeon.
    I was not the Chief Administrator of CPGH on Feb 19th 2009
    It was Jennifer who met Mr. Lucas.

  17. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    Sorry, MOMBASA, not MOBASA.

    As you know we the Africans don’t really care about spelling

  18. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    so why is my name on your document ?

  19. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    Jennifer told me she doesn’t know you

  20. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    well let’s do it simple. Describe the desk and the entrance hall of CPGH. There is something really remarkable there it’s impossible not to notice. Hint: feathers !
    Ah, ah ! remember there are two entrances with 2 different receptions.

  21. Rambo Ike says:

    Bruce & Lucas,

    Have you found a copy of Adams’s book that is readable online?

    Did you listen to the interrogation RC, Dr Con, Faggy, and Mimi did to Adams on 4/1/11?

  22. Bruce says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    Bruce & Lucas,
    Have you found a copy of Adams’s book that is readable online?
    Did you listen to the interrogation RC, Dr Con, Faggy, and Mimi did to Adams on 4/1/11?

    I was hoping to locate an eBook online version of the book but couldn’t find one. Amazon does not show an eBook version available for their Kindle, and I could not locate one on Barnes & Noble for my Nook. Also, nothing showed up in a brief, all-inclusive Google search for an eBook version.

    It seems strange that Adams would not make the book available in the online eBook format as an option for readers, to keep costs at a minimum.

    And – No, I did not listen to the referenced obot ‘interrogation of Adams. Perhaps some of our other readers did listen to it and would like to comment.

  23. @ Bruce:

    It appears that VDM Publishing (Lambert Academic Publishing, Adams’ publisher, is one of at least 27 VDM subsidiary) will publish anything.

    VDM also has at least 78 imprints entirely devoted to the reproduction, in book form, of Wikipedia content.

    VDM Publishing also specializes in publishing dissertations, theses and research projects and it’s services are free to the authors.

    VDM’s business model involves a team of acquisitions editors, who search the internet for academic authors and invite them by e-mail for their manuscripts.

    VDM sends emails to thousands of people who have written a master’s thesis or doctoral dissertation and whose college library has a web-accessible catalog.

    As we know (per Rambo Ike’s link) Adams’ Master’s Thesis is available online for free at: http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2074&context=theses

    VDM’s business practices have been criticized for profiting from the sale of unacclaimed works and for insufficiently disclosing that content is available for free elsewhere.

    VDM’s publishing methods have received criticism for the soliciting of manuscripts from thousands of individuals, for providing non-notable authors with the appearance of a peer-reviewed publishing history, and for benefiting from the free contributions of online volunteers, and for insufficiently disclosing the free nature of their content.

    VDM claims to be able to produce a new book in six weeks: two weeks for the cover and four weeks for production. There is no cost to the author, who receives one free copy of the book.

    There is another publishing company (Bookvika Publishing) which publishes, and sells, Wikipedia articles as books and they even published (06.01.2012) a 58 page book (I’ve read that many pages in such books may be blank) called, Orly Taitz

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Orly-Taitz-by-Paperback-Book-English-Free-Shipping-/191183894627?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item2c8372b863

    ISBN-10: 5512484842 and ISBN-13: 9785512484845

  24. @ Rambo Ike:

    Please see my comment, directly above, to Bruce.

    I’m also in the middle of reading your linked (thanks!) Adams’ Master’s Thesis (which seems, at this point, identical to the content which his book consists of). I’m now on the middle of page 39 (of your link), at a segment which is labeled as June 9, 2010 When evil arises, a prudent man hides himself; the simple continue on and are punished. Proverbs 22:3

  25. Bruce says:

    Lucas Daniel Smith wrote (quoting from Tim Adams’ Master’s Thesis):

    When evil arises, a prudent man hides himself; the simple continue on and are punished. Proverbs 22:3

    The quoted proverb appears similar to the often used phrase, “Fools rush in where angels fear to tread”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fools_Rush_In_Where_Angels_Fear_to_Tread

    IMO, while there are many times that the above expressed sentiment makes good sense, the world would be a far different place now if EVERYBODY adhered to it ALL THE TIME.

    BRAVE and HEROIC individuals do not play by these rather cowardly, CYA rules.

    eg. “Give me liberty or give me death” – Patrick Henry

    Lucas stated in a comment above:

    “It seems that Adams is (or was) overly sensitive to criticism and insults.”

    I strongly believe Adams has some admirable BRAVE and HEROIC qualities simply from his researching, writing and publishing (at least in limited format) his important and revealing thesis. However, in quoting Proverbs: 22.3 in his thesis, he perhaps reveals an understandable but a bit cowardly fear of ‘Alinsky’s Rule #5, Ridicule’ being used against him.

  26. Bruce says:

    — continuing along with the above thoughts regarding Tim Adams:

    Perhaps Adam’s understandable ‘timidity’ regarding the contents of his thesis reflects a psychological ‘approach / avoidance conflict’ and consequent lack of commitment to promoting its wide distribution.

    This might help explain WHY he didn’t publish the book in a low-cost eBook format that could be widely distributed through normal channels.

  27. Bruce says:

    — and it appears that many members of the U.S. Congress, in addition to publicly pledging to protect and defend the Constitution, have now come to believe that this critically important pledge has been superseded by their PRIVATE pledge to protect and defend: Proverbs: 22.3

    Proverbs: 22.3

    “When evil arises, a prudent man hides himself; the simple continue on and are punished.”

    SHAME!

    Reference: Lucas Daniel Smith’s July 4, 2010 Letter to Congress:

    http://wasobamaborninkenya.com/Letter%20to%20Congress,%20July%204,%202010,%20Lucas%20Daniel%20Smith.pdf

    ps. Especially for our ‘prudent’ (LOL) members of CONGRESS and also for those of our readers with a strong religious bent – See Galatians 6:7+8 (its admonition is commonly shortened to “As ye sow, so shall ye reap”)

  28. I’ve now read Tim Adams’ Master’s Thesis.

    I can related to the attacks that he has received in the past. Critics, skeptics, political pundits, obots and many others will to do their very best to destroy your life and discredit your name and everything you’ve done or will do.

    Being kicked out of school or fired from your job and certifying that you are never ever again gainfully employed makes their day.

    Harassing phone calls, emails and even people that show up at your house. Weird and deceitful posts on the internet which accuse you of being something bad, ugly and illegal. Distorting and manipulating statements you’ve made and adding or taking away context.

    They will report you to the police, FBI and many other law enforcement agencies for things that aren’t illegal that you done and things that are illegal that you have not done. Many of these people making complaint calls and contacting courts and law enforcement are educated individuals and some are even licensed attorneys.

    I’m glad that Tim Adams wrote and published his master’s thesis. We now have an official academic record which helps confirm that Barack Obama does not have a 1961 record of birth in Hawaii, and certainly not a record of birth from any hospital in Hawaii.

    I didn’t like and agree with everything I read in Adams’ master’s thesis but I am glad that it was written and that it was published. I look forwarding to citing, and seeing others cite, the thesis in other works, letters and litigation.

    Thanks Mr. Adams.

  29. Heltan M. Maganga says:

    My name is Heltan
    I live on the second floor
    I live upstairs from you
    Yes I think you’ve seen me before
    If you hear something late at night
    Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight
    Just don’t ask me what it was

  30. This report has been updated (in bold red color) with the following:

    UPDATE 08.03.2014: Read Mr. Adams’ Master’s Thesis (essentially the same verbatim content that his book consists of) here: Discourse and Conflict: The President Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media.

  31. bob says:

    Convicted forger Lucas Smith whines that “skeptics” lie about him … while he peddles a fake birth certificate, a fake extradition, etc.

  32. Rambo Ike says:

    Per Tim Adams, and Governor Abercommie via Mike Evans, there is no birth certificate at the Dept. of Health, hospitals, or state archives in Hawaii for Obama.

  33. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

    bob wrote:

    Convicted forger Lucas Smith whines that “skeptics” lie about him … while he peddles a fake birth certificate, a fake extradition, etc.

    If he goes any farther off the deep end, he’ll run into Lamecherry.

  34. Larry Bland says:

    @ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Andy boy, another stupid, inane, moronic, childish comment from you. I guess we can’t expect anything more though considering you are a proven RACIST sympathizer.

  35. bob says:

    For someone who claims to be so concerned with racists, you sure don’t seem to mind Tim Adams’ cozy relationship with them.

  36. Larry Bland says:

    @ bob:
    Bobby boy, how many times do I have to explain this to you? Vrba claims to be an anti birther obot. Vrba is among other things a hypocrite. Vrba is a proven RACIST sympathizer. Tim Adams never professed to to be an anti birther obot. I tried to make this as simple as I could with hope that you will finally understand the difference between Vrba and other folks you have mentioned here.

  37. Rambo Ike says:

    bob wrote:

    For someone who claims to be so concerned with racists, you sure don’t seem to mind Tim Adams’ cozy relationship with them.

    Care to explain your statement.

  38. bob says:

    Larry Bland wrote:

    @ bob:
    Bobby boy, how many times do I have to explain this to you? Vrba claims to be an anti birther obot. Vrba is among other things a hypocrite. Vrba is a proven RACIST sympathizer. Tim Adams never professed to to be an anti birther obot. I tried to make this as simple as I could with hope that you will finally understand the difference between Vrba and other folks you have mentioned here.

    Ahhh: You don’t care about racists (perhaps you are one?). You care only about trolling. Got it.

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    Care to explain your statement.

    All this Tim Adams stuff may be new to Lucas Smith, but it is literally years old and has been discussed before. Surely your superior research skills can unearth the circumstances under which Adams made his first birther announcement.

  39. bob wrote:

    All this Tim Adams stuff may be new to Lucas Smith, but it is literally years old and has been discussed before.

    You, and many others, knew about Tim Adams’ book?

    The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America.

    I don’t believe you did. Please provide several links for us to view the discussions regarding his book.

  40. Larry Bland says:

    @ bob:
    Bobby boy, your comments illustrate that the saying, “you can’t fix stupid” is accurate.

  41. Rambo Ike says:

    bob wrote:

    Larry Bland wrote:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    Care to explain your statement.

    All this Tim Adams stuff may be new to Lucas Smith, but it is literally years old and has been discussed before. Surely your superior research skills can unearth the circumstances under which Adams made his first birther announcement.

    No research skills needed. It is well known that Adams made the claim he was told by his supervisors that there was no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii on James Edward’s Political Cesspool. The program has a reputation of being White Nationalist. How does that give Adams a cozy relationship with racists?

    Bob, be careful how you answer the question. I might use an analogy of you with certain Obots.

  42. Rambo Ike says:

    Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:

    bob wrote:

    You, and many others, knew about Tim Adams’ book?

    The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America.

    I don’t believe you did. Please provide several links for us to view the discussions regarding his book.

    It was mentioned at the FagBlow under a thread title: Tim Adams: Witness to Infamy? Bob is in on the comments.

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4164&start=700&hilit=philga

  43. Rambo Ike wrote:

    t was mentioned at the FagBlow under a thread title: Tim Adams: Witness to Infamy? Bob is in on the comments.

    Thanks Ike.

  44. Bruce says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    It was mentioned at the FagBlow under a thread title: Tim Adams: Witness to Infamy? Bob is in on the comments.
    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4164&start=700&hilit=philga

    To be absolutely accurate, the Fogbow thread page referenced by link, as far as I could observe, just mentioned Mr. Adams’ MASTERS’ THESIS:

    “Discourse and Conflict: The President Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media”

    It did NOT mention Mr. Adams’ BOOK:

    “The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America.”

    As far as I know, Lucas was the first major birther-related source to post a reference to Mr. Adamas’ BOOK.

    Unless someone has actually compared the book and the thesis, we don’t really know for sure that the BOOK and the THESIS are identical???

  45. Rambo Ike says:

    @ Bruce:

    My fault. I should of been more specific. Same link (thread). Go to page 30 and scroll down to Obots Loren (yeah, that Loren), and Ducktape.

  46. Bruce says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    @ Bruce:
    … Same link (thread). Go to page 30 and scroll down to Obots Loren (yeah, that Loren), and Ducktape.

    You are correct! Thanks!
    On Fogbow, page 30, October 4, 2011

    Post by ‘Loren’:

    BTW, Tim’s thesis is now available in book form on Amazon, at the low, low price of $71.00.

    “The Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media: Fear and Freedom in Contemporary America”

    Post by ‘ducktape’:

    Ah, published by VDM, who will literally “publish” any thesis or dissertation they can find. In fact, they’ll publish anything they can find — other VDM imprints include Alphascript and Betascript, which download Wikipedia articles and offer them as books on Amazon. Any sucker dumb enough to order one of those at an outrageous price gets a demand-printed softcover book containing a lot of blank pages and a little bit of freely-available text copied from WikiPedia (and then copyrighted by VDM). For their Lambert Academic Publishing imprint, the author gets a bound copy, no editing at all, and the promise of a 3% royalty in return for signing over the rights. Apparently, at least according to the commentary online, they’re famous for never actually paying the 3%.

    I found out about them when I discovered that Amazon was offering what looked like one of my old computer games (Amiga version) for anywhere from $50 to $175. But when I investigated, I discovered that the 144 pages that they were offering were the four paragraphs about it from Wikipedia … and 142 pages blank pages. I complained to Amazon and it’s now gone, but if you search Betascript in Amazon, you’ll see they’ve “published” some 120,000+ such “books.”

    Here’s an example of one of their other offerings. Dance Dance Revolution (Wii Video Game) for $58.94, not the game for that price (you can get the game for as little as $15 at Amazon, actually), but paperback claiming to be 140 pages — essentially, this article, Wikipedia: Dance Dance Revolution, and a bunch of blank pages.

    $71, huh? Not that much wingnut welfare to go around these days, Timmy. Couldn’t get Regnery interested?

  47. Larry Bland says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    bob wrote:

    Larry Bland wrote:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    Care to explain your statement.

    All this Tim Adams stuff may be new to Lucas Smith, but it is literally years old and has been discussed before. Surely your superior research skills can unearth the circumstances under which Adams made his first birther announcement.

    No research skills needed. It is well known that Adams made the claim he was told by his supervisors that there was no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii on James Edward’s Political Cesspool. The program has a reputation of being White Nationalist. How does that give Adams a cozy relationship with racists?

    Bob, be careful how you answer the question. I might use an analogy of you with certain Obots.

    Ike, Bobby boy never speaks to any question put to him. He just posts his nonsense and ignors any rebuttal. Like most obots it seems that Bobby boy is a coward.

  48. bob says:

    Like I said, Adams’ thesis and book may be new to Smith, but it is old news.

    @ Rambo Ike:

    It is well known that Adams made the claim he was told by his supervisors that there was no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii on James Edward’s Political Cesspool. The program has a reputation of being White Nationalist. How does that give Adams a cozy relationship with racists?

    Of all the possible media outlets, Adams first tells his lies on one that “has a reputation of being White Nationalist”? And where was that episode of Political Cesspool hosted?

    @ Larry Bland:

    Ike, Bobby boy never speaks to any question put to him.

    What question have I avoided? Excuse me if I more pressing things to do than troll comment sections.

  49. Larry Bland says:

    @ Larry Bland:

    Ike, Bobby boy never speaks to any question put to him.

    What question have I avoided? Excuse me if I more pressing things to do than troll comment sections.

    Ahhhhhhh, okay, now you deny trolling comment sections. Very good, carry on Bobby boy, just keep living your fantasy!

  50. Rambo Ike says:

    bob wrote:

    Like I said, Adams’ thesis and book may be new to Smith, but it is old news.

    Of all the possible media outlets, Adams first tells his lies on one that “has a reputation of being White Nationalist”? And where was that episode of Political Cesspool hosted?

    You can’t call it a lie since you haven’t provided any proof that it is.

    From the best I can tell the program comes out of Memphis on the Liberty News Network.

  51. bob says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    You can’t call it a lie since you haven’t provided any proof that it is.

    Sure I can: Hawaii’s Office of Elections has absolutely nothing to do with birth certificates. Adams’ contrary claim is a lie, and he has no special knowledge about President Obama’s birth certificate. Adams’ statement is also contradicted by Hawaii’s Department of Health, which is in charge of birth certificates and has repeatedly and expressly stated (and verified!) that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

    From the best I can tell the program comes out of Memphis on the Liberty News Network.

    Wasn’t my question: The particular episode that featured Adams, from where was it broadcast? You’re the great researcher and all….

  52. Rambo Ike says:

    @ bob:

    Re: “Hawaii’s Department of Health, which is in charge of birth certificates and has repeatedly and expressly stated (and verified!) that President Obama was born in Hawaii.”

    I call that using hearsay to refute hearsay.

    Edwards interviewed Adams in Nashville, Tenn. during a national conference for the Council of Conservative Citizens. Was there a point you were trying to make?

  53. BobJ says:

    @ Rambo Ike:
    When you go to a baseball game, do you listen to the umpire or the drunk fan when it comes to determining whether the runner is safe or out?

  54. bob says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    I call that using hearsay to refute hearsay.

    I call that ignorance: President Obama’s birth certificate is admissible evidence in any court in the United States. And Tim Adams’ office gossip isn’t. Not all hearsay is created equal.

    And thanks for not refuting that Hawaii’s Office of Elections has absolutely nothing to do with birth certificates — Adams is talking out of his ass.

    Edwards interviewed Adams in Nashville, Tenn. during a national conference for the Council of Conservative Citizens. Was there a point you were trying to make?

    That Tim Adams’ cozy relationship with racists doesn’t seem to phase Larry Bland.

    * * *

    BobJ wrote:

    When you go to a baseball game, do you listen to the umpire or the drunk fan when it comes to determining whether the runner is safe or out?

    Excellent point! Birthers have lost in court more than 200 times. Much more authoritative pseudoanonymous commenters, don’t you think?

  55. Rambo Ike says:

    BobJ wrote:

    @ Rambo Ike:
    When you go to a baseball game, do you listen to the umpire or the drunk fan when it comes to determining whether the runner is safe or out?

    Poor analogy. I can say from more than 20 years of organized ball the umps get it wrong more than the average Joe realizes.

  56. Rambo Ike says:

    @ bob:

    Re: President Obama’s birth certificate is admissible evidence in any court in the United States.

    Then get the birth certificate from the HDoH and submit it in a court. Noone has yet.

    Re: And Tim Adams’ office gossip isn’t. Not all hearsay is created equal.

    Adams was told by government election officials. Evans was told by Abercommie, a government official.

    The solution is to release the birth certificate that is alleged to be in the health dept. files, along with records from the claimed hospital. Why are Obama & his bootlicking Obots so afraid of do that?

    Re: That Tim Adams’ cozy relationship with racists doesn’t seem to phase Larry Bland.

    I don’t see going to a conference to do a report as being a cozy relationship no more that you commenting on site for years with an admitted racist. That’s like saying every DemoKKKrat that attends Al Sharpton’s Political PAC Conference is a bigoted smear merchant like him.

  57. BobJ says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    Poor analogy. I can say from more than 20 years of organized ball the umps get it wrong more than the average Joe realizes.

    Doesn’t matter of the ump is wrong. Doesn’t matter if the Supremes get it wrong. That is the way the game is played. But either you already know that and don’t want to admit it, or you really are not that smart.

  58. bob says:

    Rambo Ike wrote:

    Then get the birth certificate from the HDoH and submit it in a court.

    I don’t have President Obama’s birth certificate, so I can’t. With respect to President Obama, there’s neither a requirement nor a reason for him to do so.

    Adams was told by government election officials. Evans was told by Abercommie, a government official.

    Adams: Says Adams. He has no proof that anyone told him anything.

    Abercrombie: Evans retracted his story.

    The solution is to release the birth certificate that is alleged to be in the health dept. files, along with records from the claimed hospital.

    That may be “solution” you desire, but it isn’t what the law requires. Nor did the electorate demand it.

    Why are Obama & his bootlicking Obots so afraid of do that?

    I’m certain no one is afraid.

    I don’t see going to a conference to do a report

    I see Larry Bland calling people a racist who for having done far less than going on a racist’s radio show that was broadcast from a racists’ convention.

    you commenting on site for years with an admitted racist.

    I have no idea to what you refer.

    That’s like saying every DemoKKKrat that attends Al Sharpton’s Political PAC Conference is a bigoted smear merchant like him.

    Only someone who habitually uses non-words like “DemoKKKrat” and “Abercommie” would make such a foolish inference.

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