This blog report is the first to be filed under the category of ‘Date Formats’ and is the first of many upcoming blog reports that will be filed under the Date Format category.
Back on the 4th day of September, 2009 I was at my house in Republica Dominicana. On that same day attorney Orly Taitz wired me, via Western Union, $250.00 US dollars.
The money was sent from Rancho Santa Margarita, California to Santo Domingo, Republica Dominicana.
Its interesting to note that on the Western Union pay out receipt itself Western Union lists, inncorrectly or erroneously, the spelling of Rancho Santa Margarita as Rancho Santa Margaritaca.
Is the Western Union receipt a forgery? How could an official record from Western Union contain the wrong spelling of a US township or city? Was I, Lucas Smith, really at the Western Union office in Santo Domingo, Republica Dominicana on September 4th, 2009? Is something fishy here? Well, if you’re into batty conspiracy talk such as that then I recommend that take up reading at websites such as The Fogbow or maybe even Loren Collins’ Barackryphal.
Below I have included scans of the Western Union pay out receipt and also the Western Union currency exchange receipt. Note: I exchanged 100 of the USD for 3,590 Pesos RD. My passport number and an strange telephone number listed for attorney Orly Taitz have been redacted.
Both receipts were issued at the same Western Union office and both were issued on the same day, the 4th day of September, 2009.
You can see the Western Union payout receipt uses the numeric date format of 9/4/2009 and 9-04-09 which are both MONTH/DAY/YEAR.
You can also see that Western Unioon currency exchange receipt uses the numeric date format of 04/09/2009 which is DAY/MONTH/YEAR.
The date format used in the Dominican Republic is DAY/MONTH/YEAR.
So what’s wrong here with one of these Western Union receipts? Do you smell a forgery?
Aside from the Western Union pay out receipt I’ve never seen the MONTH/DAY/YEAR date format used in the Dominican Republic.
I’m willing to bet that the readers (including supporters, skeptics, those on the fence, the impartial and also the notorious Obots) of this blog can come up with a slew of explanations for the use of both numeric date formats, i.e., DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY on these Dominican Western Union receipts. Some of your explanations will be wild and unhinged while others will appear reasonable, objective and well thoughtout.
At any rate, according the rules of Obotopia (that includes the comments section at ObamaConspiracy.org as well the following websites/blogs themselves: TheFogBow.com, BadFiction.typepad.com, OhForGoodnessSake.com, RCRadioShow.blogspot.com, Barackryphal.blogspot.com, WorldNetDaily.com), all that matters is that the date format used by the country of Republica Dominicana is DAY/MONTH/YEAR. Any document containing other date formats, especially numeric date formats, is cleary a forgery.
On the 19th day of February, 2009, I obtained, in person, a copy of Barack Hussein Obama II’s 1961 hopsital birth certificate from the Coast Province General Hospital (CPGH), in Mombasa, Kenya.
I apologize for being so clumsy, ham-handed and oafish as to not have taken the time to quiz the Kenyan hospital administrative staff on the hisotrical date formats of Kenya and why or why not the doctors chose to use the MONTH/DAY/YEAR format on the 4th day of August, 1961 on at least one particular birth record. Pehaps I should have also inquired about Zanzibar and also about baby footprints?
Over the course of the last 2.5 years I have provided a plethora of plausible, objective and often well researched hypotheses regarding the date formats listed on Barack Obama’s 1961 CPGH Kenyan certificate of birth and I have even backed up some of the hypotheses up with other historical and contemporary documents from Kenya and elsewhere. I’ve even cited Kenya’s own official website as using both date formats.
What I’ve come to understand over the last 2.5 years is that Obots and the inhabitants of Obotopia are rather doltish and that they live in a world where everything is a conspiracy with the exception of any and all actions and utterings of their beloved Party.
Very sad attempt to generate something from nothing.
Santamargarita CA….California, you know, it’s a state abbreviation
Western Union is…..wait for it….a North American company so yep, they use M/D/Y, whilst Vimenca SA is not and uses D/M/Y
For Gods sake man at least ATTEMPT to make up a coherent argument with better subject matter.
Mr. Smith,
Congratulations on your new blog and the splendid straw man you’ve built in this post. Since I’m sure that the usual wrecking crew will be along to debunk it shortly (assuming you’re telling the truth about your aversion to censorship – something you are to be commended for as it is nearly unique amongst birthers), I’ll just say that if you actually provide a forum for rational debate between birthers and obots, I don’t believe that it will go well for your arguments, but it will speak very well of you. Good luck.
Trevor,
1. The name is Rancho Santa Margarita.
Western Union spelled it as Rancho Santa Margaritaca
Abbreviations have nothing to do with it.
2. The Dominican Republic uses DAY/MM/YYYY. Western Union in the Dominican Republic used MM/DD/YYYY one reciept and then DD/MM/YYYY on another receipt, on the same day. A bit confusing don’t you think?
By the way, you impled that ‘North America’ has a date format. That is very incorrect. Mexico uses DD/MM/YYYY, United States of America uses MM/DD/YYYY, Canada uses three different formats.
Slartibartfast,
Thank you for your thoughts and luck. I don’t support censorship.
Your new blog is absolutely FANTASTIC!.
I wish we had thought to get this communication capability up and running in the summer of 2009! If we had, perhaps enough folks could have understood and accepted the ‘Kenyan Birth Scenario’ for Obama by now and he would be well on his way to being legally expelled from office. Oh well, as the saying goes, ‘hindsight’ is always 50/50!
Simultaneous Embedded URL Test:
Bruce,
No one who’s mind is not already made up is going to accept a Kenyan birth scenario unless you can answer questions like why was Dr. Dunham in Kenya late in her pregnancy without her husband? (Barack Obama Sr. attended classes in Hawai’i in the summer of 1961)
Slartibartfast,
SAD, age 18 in the summer of 1961, was an intelligent, healthy, adventuresome, capable, extremely persuasive and pregnant young young lady. Perhaps her original plan was to leave her embarrasing-at-the-time, mixed race infant in the care of Obama Sr’s family.
However, shortly after BHO’s birth on August 4th at the CPGH, her ‘maternal instinct’ kicked in (not all that unusual) and she decided to keep her young child. She telegraphed (or less likely, perhaps, phoned) her mother in Hawaii and arranged to have the baby set up with a Hawaiian BC and all the advantages of being an “American Citizen”.
She then persuaded, perhaps utilizing a bribe, the Kenyan BOAC officials in Nairobi to allow her to take her ‘toddler’ (LOL) son on a trip to Vancouver, Canada. Once there, she easily slipped across the border to Seattle to start night-school extension classes at the University of Washington in late August or early September.
Money was never a problem for the Obama’s.
I don’t know if BHO Sr. accompanied SAD to Kenya or not. It really doesn’t matter.
BHO II WAS BORN IN KENYA!
I can provide sources for any of the points I mentioned (with, you know, citations of law and stuff…) on request. How does it make you feel that President Obama destroyed any chance you had of duping the American public into thinking your baseless accusations had the slightest bit of merit a little over a month ago? It still makes me smile… 😉
Lucas,
Can you put a “subscribe” button on your threads?
is this a mission or an obsession ?
Hello kimbo,
I might ask you the same question since you pop up on everything Lucas, asking the same dull questions and arguing with all of us.
Lucas,
This is off-topic, but I couldn’t let the occasion pass without complimenting you on the great photo you included at the top of this post.
The young lady is very pretty and the picture of you is, by far, the best I have ever seen featured on a public forum! Well done! Thanks!
Bruce,
Thank you very much for your compliment on the picture of the young lady and I!
So are all these websites lying?
Barack Obama was born in Kenya ~ Here is your PROOF!
http://www.youtube.com/user/KenyanBornObamAcorn
Not like it matters anyways…even if he were born here, he is STILL not a Natural Born Citizen!
GUARANTEED Proof that Obama is a USURPER ~ 100% sourced w/govt documents and the Founders writings!
“wasobamaborninkenya”, even without a question mark, is interrogative form, not affirmative. Implies the author is searching for replies. So here is the answer:
NO
Kinbo, You guessed wrong. The correct answer is YES and you know it. After 2 years of arguing with us you should have learned that by now.
Mik (Kim),
The phrase form is commonly referred to as a ‘rhetorical affirmative’.
— You know, kinda like: “Is the pope Catholic”. No question mark needed!
The phrase, “Was Obama Born In Kenya” may one day be widely used as a ‘rhetorical affirmative’, and rightly so!
sophistry !
Bruce,
As long as the Hawai’i DoH stands behind President Obama’s birth certificate, the US Constitution mandates that it is entitled to the full faith and credit of the State of Hawai’i in every state (it also meets the federal definition of a birth certificate). You can continue to make up all the scurrilous lies you want – President Obama will be on the ballot in 2012 despite the awesome force of the many tens of birthers posting whiny lies on blogs. The only thing that the birthers can possibly accomplish politically at this point is to drive a wedge between independent voters and right wing nutjobs, so go ahead and knock yourself out.
Bruce,
By the way, don’t get your hopes up (like so many birthers are) regarding Orly’s subpoena – it doesn’t have a prayer.
Just sayin’…
I would accept the Hawaiian DoH’s standing behind the bc if they would stand behind an authentic bc instead of the fraudulent ones that have been presented to date. All we have ever asked for is the authentic bc. That we have never been allowed to see. Everything purported the bc, to date, has been proven to be fraudulent.
I don’t have high hopes on anything Orly does. She is persistant but not very successful so far.
As for 2012, bho may be on the ballot but if the economy doesn’t improve, he will lose big time.
Phyllis,
Nothing has ever been proven to be fraudulent (except several Kenyan birth certificates, including the one Mr. Smith was trying to sell) – the “experts” that birthers think show otherwise are a pathetic joke. The Hawai’i DoH has always stood behind the COLB and the LFBC (which are completely consistent with each other), including official statements, sworn testimony, and comments from officials of two administrations. You got the authentic BC (or an image of the authentic BC) 3 years ago – a document which would be accepted as proof of natural born citizenship in any court in the US, including the SCOTUS. This country has serious problems, but it has a legitimate president – what makes you think that it’s okay to waste people’s time with your lies about the duly elected POTUS?
As for Orly, she just may be the most incompetent lawyer on the planet – in my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we see further sanctions on Orly Taitz and hopefully see Orly Tatiz disbarred.
If you’d like to see a depression up close, then elect a Republican president and Congress in 2012 – because that’s what you’ll get. I’m sure that all of the billionaires will make out really well though…
If you think discussions on anything constitutional are a waste of people’s time, perhaps you should not bother wasting your time on them. Let those who care spend their time getting to the truth and protecting your constitutional rights as well as their own. That is, unless you are a paid obot. In that case, you have to argue with us to pay your rent.
For those of you who do care about our wonderful Constitution, read it, learn it and stand up for it. May I suggest you sta
If you think discussions on anything constitutional are a waste of people’s time, perhaps you should not bother wasting your time on them. Let those who care spend their time getting to the truth and protecting your constitutional rights as well as their own.
For those of you who do care about our wonderful Constitution, read it, learn it and stand up for it. May I suggest you start with the requirements to be POTUS? Among other things, the person is required to be a “natural-born citizen” of the U S. a “natural-born” is described as one who is born on American soil to TWO American citizen parents. bho’s father was a Kenyan citizen all of this life. If bho was born in Hawaii, he was born a dual citizen, not a natural born citizen, therefore, he is not constitutionally eligible to be POTUS, he is there illegally.
I would add that no one has ever debunked the Kenyan bc that Lucas brought from Kenya. It has been discussed by many and ridiculed by obots but never proven to be fraudulent.
As I was typing a comment, I sneezed a couple times and my comment disappeared. Now I see it. Obviously, I hit something and posted it. My apologies for the error.
Phyllis says:
I’m sorry to say (no, I’m really not) that this issue is D-E-D dead. The only things that birthers can possibly accomplish with their hate is to drive a wedge between independent voters and the far right (not that any politicians are stupid enough to touch birtherism with a 10′ pole after April 27…) and to entertain those of us obots who like to watch your antics. Beyond that your entire movement is completely impotent. So have fun continuing with your Quixotic and meaningless quest – I hope some day you will get over your mental illness (Obama Derangement Syndrome) but I fear that until then your life will be futile and insignificant.
KBOA,
I thought your video was going to bring the evil usurper down pronto – what happened? I haven’t seen President Obama frogmarched anywhere…
Agnew’s father was an immigrant from Greece who received his American citizenship before Spiro was born. That makes Spiro a natural born citizen. Anyone born to two American parents on American soil is a natural-born citizen. Anyone born to one Anerican citizen & one citizen if any other country is a dual citizen, also called native-born citizen. None of the founding fathers were American citizens at the time of the revolution and the founding of America because America was just founded. To prevent persons born with dual or non-citizen status possibly having loyalities to another country, the citizenship requirements were established and do require natural-born citizenship as one of the requirements. In other words, no ties to another country.
You do not know me well enough to say I am bigoted.
All the other statements you have made have been discussed at great length many times and you know it. You probably participated in some of them. You bring up the same tired old arguments about Maganga’s name spelling and the date format. All that was discussed, debated and settled long ago. The document Lucas brought from Kenya is authentic and that is all there is to it. Nothing you say can change that.
Your saying I am bigoted is wrong and I will not discuss anything further with you because you resort to name calling.
Phyllis says:
July 9, 2011 at 7:32 am
You do not know me well enough to say I am bigoted.
You display obvious bias against President Obama, bias that I am sure has no factual basis – in other words you are prejudiced against President Obama (note that I have said nothing about WHY you hate the president, I’ve just observed that you do – specifically, I am not in any way implying that you are a racist [I haven’t seen anything I would consider racist in your comments and you are right that I do not know you well enough to make that judgement]). My dictionary defines “bigoted” thusly:
I would certainly consider you obstinately convinced of the correctness of the misinformation (and outright lies) that have arisen from your prejudice (the only other explanation of your comments is that you are profoundly ignorant [but I suspect you aren’t a recent immigrant to birtherstan, so you’ve probably had the opportunity to discover your errors] because your positions cannot be justified based on the law or the facts….). Sorry, but if you act in a bigoted way, then you are likely to get called a bigot. If you don’t like it, then stop being prejudiced.
All the other statements you have made have been discussed at great length many times and you know it.
All of the aspects of the case against President Obama’s eligibility have, indeed, been discussed to death – and shown to lack any merit whatsoever. Face it, the birthers are wrong on the facts, wrong on the law, and wrong on the Constitution – all you have are a bunch of fallacious arguments and baseless smears against the duly elected president. Any potential public interest in your movement died on April 27th and there’s no lie that you can tell that will change that (the truth is that whether or not you like President Obama’s policies, he is the legitimate POTUS).
You probably participated in some of them.
I got interested in the eligibility movement lurking at TexasDarlin’s before the election and I have participated in many discussions of birtherism, yes.
You bring up the same tired old arguments about Maganga’s name spelling and the date format. All that was discussed, debated and settled long ago.
Yes, it was settled that the likelihood that Lucas’ POSFKBC is legitimate was vanishingly small.
The document Lucas brought from Kenya is authentic and that is all there is to it.
Fine, prove it – get it admitted to evidence in a court of law and use it to impeach the credibility of the State of Hawai’i. Don’t worry, if you go pro se, you’ll probably avoid sanctions for a frivolous lawsuit. The truth is that no sane attorney would even attempt to use Lucas’ document after doing the slightest bit of due diligence on it.
Nothing you say can change that.
No, nothing I say changes the truth – and that is that no court will ever rule against the eligibility of President Obama for the simple reason that he is eligible and every rational person who has educated themselves on the issue knows it.
Your saying I am bigoted is wrong and I will not discuss anything further with you because you resort to name calling.
Fine. I wont stop calling out bigotry when I see it (the truth is an affirmative defense against libel and I think it is sufficient rebuttal to the charge of ad hominem). For the record, we haven’t been discussing much of anything anyway – you’ve made unsupported claims and I’ve made fun of you (and debunked them a little – check out Doc Conspiracy’s or the Fogbow if you want well argued debunking with supporting references for any of the lies you’ve swallowed). I’m not trying to debate you (that would require you to defend your arguments, something you are incapable of doing), I’m just pointing out that you have no evidence to support the bigoted charges you are making. If you quit telling lies, I can stop doing that, but until then (or until I’m distracted by something shiny and wander away) I’ll keep pointing out that you have no credibility whatsoever and can’t back up anything that you say. So, by all means, run away and hide because I was mean to you (certainly not because of the fact that you are completely wrong and probably incapable of arguing your way out of a paper sack…). Birthers (a good many of them overtly racist) have been spewing their bigoted, seditious lies for 3 years now – we’re long past the time where they should be treated as anything but a pathetic attempted coup against the US Constitution.
Phyllis says:
July 9, 2011 at 7:22 am
Agnew’s father was an immigrant from Greece who received his American citizenship before Spiro was born. That makes Spiro a natural born citizen.
He was a natural born US citizen because he was born in the US and he was a natural born Greek citizen because he was born to a Greek citizen (Greek citizenship cannot be renounced). This clearly invalidates your argument that dual citizenship is, by itself, disqualifying. Also, there is some dispute as to whether Mr. Agnew naturalized before his son’s birth (but no dispute as to whether or not Mr. Agnew was a natural born citizen).
Anyone born to two American parents on American soil is a natural-born citizen. Anyone born to one Anerican citizen & one citizen if any other country is a dual citizen, also called native-born citizen.
Generally, the terms ‘native born’ and ‘natural born’ are used interchangeably (Doc C has a whole page of quotes illustrating this). While there are exceptions (the children of foreign diplomats are native-born, but not natural-born and John McCain was [probably] natural-born but not native-born), in the vast majority of cases (including that of President Obama) both (or neither) of the terms apply.
None of the founding fathers were American citizens at the time of the revolution and the founding of America because America was just founded.
This statement is idiotic. Consider the case of President Jefferson. He was a natural born subject of the colony of Virginia. Upon the signing of the Declaration of Independence (something he may have been involved with, by the way…), he became a citizen of the United States as did the rest of the colonists. This in no way changed anyone’s naturalized or natural born status (if you dispute this, find a single citation of law or precedent to support it – I don’t think you can do it). The Founders understood themselves to be natural born citizens (with the exception of Alexander Hamilton) – that’s why John Jay’s first suggested eligibility requirement (which didn’t include a grandfather clause) wasn’t ridiculous – it wouldn’t have excluded anyone born in the colonies. The grandfather clause was later added so that Hamilton (and others in his circumstances) could run for president. Sadly, it was never used.
To prevent persons born with dual or non-citizen status possibly having loyalities to another country, the citizenship requirements were established and do require natural-born citizenship as one of the requirements. In other words, no ties to another country.
Here’s what James Madison had to say about it:
Do you think that you understand the Constitution better than its author? Sorry, but I think that you don’t have a clue what the Constitution means and that the man known as “The Father of the Constitution” does. Clearly anyone thinking otherwise is merely demonstrating their bias (and doing so in a way that is repugnant to the Founders intent).
By the way, the efficacy of the birther movement speaks volumes – either you guys don’t have the truth on your side or you are the most incompetent group that has ever existed. Which is it?
Slartibart, you have absolutely devastated poor Phyllis’ every argument, left her a quivering mass of poo.
It’s lucky for Phyllis that she’s decided it’s not a good idea to engage you further. The claim that you’re just calling her names is a common birfer excuse she might as well stick to it!
Plutodog,
Honestly, I long for the halcyon days of the birtherstan’s golden age – before President Obama emasculated The Donald’s presidential hopes (if he ever had them) as well as the entire birther movement. You know, when some of the birthers would at least go to the trouble of making up a supporting reference or misquoting or misinterpreting a Founding Father in response to having their arguments shredded. Vanquishing the mighty Phyllis and her dauntless propaganda is about as challenging as peeing in the shower, but hopefully she’ll think twice before trying to peddle her worn-out, seditious misinformation again…
Perhaps not.
On the other hand, the WU money transfer transaction originated in California. The date format at the originating location is month-day-year. That is the format of the date in the data stream that got transmitted to the Dominican Republic.
Nothing to do with the Dominican Republic; everything to do with the transaction origin.
Sorry about the failure to close off the blockquote tag in the second part of my post above.
My comment starts with the words “Not confusing at all”
Keith,
It appears that the significance of my blog report went over your head.
There is, invariably, an explanation for everything. Your explanation could be accurate and correct. Although I’ve sent money via Western Union to the Dominican Republic and the pay out receipts that the payees receive always vary in date format, sometime its DD/MM/YYYY and sometimes its MM/DD/YYYY.
Again, the significance of my blog report appears to have went directly over your head. The rules of Obotopia state that if the date format on a document does not match the official or standard date format for the country (Kenya, Dominican Republic, or any country) then the said document in a clear fake , forgery and a fraud.
I trust that you understand the significance now? If not, here, I make it real simple for you: I doesn’t matter that you have a reasonable explanation for the atypical, or wrong, date format on the Western Union receipts. The Western Union receipts are clear forgeries according to the rules of Obotopia.
Not over my head.
First your documents do not show any inconsistencies, did you even attempt to understand the point? The transaction that originated in California has dates consistent with that origination. The transaction that originated in the Dominican Republic has dates consistent with that origination.
You might have had something a little less obvious had you shown an international money transfer that originated from the DR to the USA. That would probably show a date format MM/DD/YYYY. Why would that be? Because that is undoubtedly the format that is demanded by the Western Union supplied computer program; irregardless of where the transaction originates, and the data is entered, a consistent date format is required to ensure accurate posting across all systems.
The currency exchange transaction is completely within the DR and does not involve any international transactions systems. It naturally uses the format that is normal for the locale.
yes, Kenya’s official Register for practicing doctors and dentists
THE MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS AND DENTISTS ACT
(Cap. 253)
MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS RETENTION REGISTER, 2011
uses an American (sc) date format. However it also lists Maganga as Heltan and not with the American name format of Helton
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