Attorney Loren Christopher Collins to represent (currently under consideration by me) Lucas Daniel Smith in extradition to Kenya case (Pro bono).

Loren Collins for U.S. Congress – Can’t Stop the Signal from Loren Collins on Vimeo.

Some time ago I came to the fact-based-conclusion that many skeptics (some known as Obots) are predominately white Americans who indicate (are they being truthful?) that they are libertarians and conservatives and some even appear to genuinely dislike black Americans. It appears that many of these individuals are really and truly not, nor ever have been, Obama supporters.

Attorney Loren Collins has stated that he is a conservative and a libertarian and that he has never supported Obama.

When did Collins say those thing? He said them in an March 26, 2013 interview with Skeptic Magazine (or Skepticality the official Podcast of Skeptic Magazine).

Interesting Note: In 2012 I briefly went back to work for a printing press that I had worked at as a teenager. While working in 2012 I was a “cutter” working on sheets of Skeptic Magazine!

MP3. Skepticality Interview with Loren Collins  (click only if you’d like to listen the embedded audio file of the hour long show)

At the 32:10 thru 32:59 minutes of the interview Loren states that, “ahh what led me to creating the book was ahh it kind of goes back to that blog I mentioned earlier, the Barackryphal birther related thing, I kind of dabbled in to debunking that umm primarily out of interest of uhh just sort of killing it dead I’m actually not an Obama supporter really ahh but I’m a conservative ahh libertarian really it ahh it that kind of stuff aggravated me terribly ahh so I kinda wanted to kill  that kind of nonsense ahh ’cause that stuff makes other people of my political persuasion look bad which it does and still does ahh and so I started the blog, debunked stuff and at some point I thought I can collect some of that material into a book…”

In the interview Loren seems, or sounds, somewhat embarrassed or ashamed to talk about his blog, Barackryphal.

Since his college days (University of Georgia) Loren has been obsessed with exposing or debunking people, things and beliefs which he deems as purveyors of falsehoods, being fraudulent or myths.  He started with an author of several alternative medicine books named Kevin Trudeau.   Loren published an article at an older website of his, www.lorencollins.net, entitled, Facts Kevin Trudeau doesn’t want you to know about.

He then went onto publish The Truth About Tytler, and other exposés.

In 2008 Loren ran as a write-in candidate for United States House of Representatives in Georgia.  The video at the head of this report and the two videos at the foot of this report show Loren campaigning for US Congress.

In any event, in 2013 I published a series of reports detailing the private and public life of Dr. Conspiracy aka Kevin Wayne Davidson:

January 23rd, 2013 – I was on the stool tonight and I thought of Dr Conspiracy and his reprehensible and foul-smelling website.

February 19th, 2013 – Who is Kevin Wayne Davidson aka Dr. Conspiracy?

February 20th, 2013 – Dr. Conspiracy’s wife. Truly who is Virginia H. Davidson?

February 22nd, 2013 – Dr. Conspiracy’s fraudulent mortgage with Bank of America (Kevin Wayne Davidson & Virginia H. Davidson).

February 24th, 2013 – What kind of car does Dr. Conspiracy (Kevin Wayne Davidson) drive?

February 28th, 2013 – Queen of the Obots: Virginia Hutson Davidson (aka Mrs. Conspiracy).

March 7th, 2013 – Fierce field research behind enemy lines. Dr. Conspiracy’s wife (Virginia Hutson Davidson) is a criminal and Loren Collins is a baloney man.

May 16th, 2013 – Who is Dr. Conspiracy and why has he been hacking into my computer and planting malware?

Obots and the skeptics panicked and went into headless-chicken mode after reading the exposé series and indicated that at worst (worst for me) there would criminal charges filed against me and at best (best form me) their would be civil litigation filed against me and that the WOBIK website and blog would be taken down.

On May 16th, 2o13,  4:55 PM attorney Loren Collins wrote, at The Fogbow on a thread entitled eBAY KENYAN HOAXTER IS BAAAAACK – LOL, in hidden text (i.e., you can’t see the text unless you are a registered and signed in member of The Fogbow):

“Accusations of criminal conduct are defamation per se; you don’t have to prove damages.  Perhaps significantly, the blog [WOBIK] isn’t hosted by Blogger or WordPress; It’s a standalone website hosted by HostGator.  A letter of complaint to their legal department might induce some action on their part.”

He was responding to another Fogbow member who said that it was, “Too bad that punkasshole [Lucas Smith] is lawsuit-proof, with no assets.  Clear case of libel in my view, even though I am NAL (i.e., not a lawyer).”

Loren Collins A1 Hidden May 16 2013

On May 16th, 2o13,  5:16 PM another attorney who goes by the handle A Legal Lohengrin responds to Loren and wrote, in hidden text, that:

“The problem with bringing suit against Lucas is not on the proving end, but on the collecting end.  He is a bankrupt deadbeat loser with mountains of legal debt relating to his lengthy career as a criminal.”

A Legal Lohengrin A2 Hidden May 16 2013

On May 16th, 2o13,  9:51 PM Loren wrote, in response to A Legal Lohengrin, in hidden text, that:

“Oh, I agree.  But Hostgator does have assets.  And they’re in a position to take down his post.   And really, its not the accusations themselves that I think Doc should be concerned about.  The defamation is the leverage to get all of the personal information removed.”

Loren Collins A3 Hidden May 16 2013

On May 16th, 2o13, 10:45 PM A Legal Lohengrin wrote, in response to Loren, in hidden text, that:

“They’re also in a position to cite Section 230 of the CDA, which makes them absolutely immune from liability for the posts of their customers.  They have enough customers that it is probably economically in their interests to do so, too, rather than cave in on legal threats.  This is even if, as many ISPs, they have a defamation-related clause and a “hold harmless” provision in theor TOS.”

A Legal Lohengrin A4 Hidden May 16 2013

On May 19th, 2o13,  12:23 AM Dr. Conspiracy wrote, in response both attorneys, i.e., Loren and  A Legal Lohengrin, in hidden text, that:

“At first, I thought Smith held some sort of a grudge, and that was why he was escalating the publication of personal information about me, my wife, my ex-wife, my sons, my step-son and his wife and children.  It seems that he is trying to create an intolerable situation.  One can only speculate on his motives, but I think a useful approach is to ask what are the motives for the other things that he does.

“I don’t think action through his web hosting company is worth the trouble.  Web hosts are a dime a dozen.  And its not defamation to say something that’s true, and what he has said that is false isn’t particularly bad (unless I missed something).

“By the way, I found the following article interesting.  You might as well.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/09/online-extortion

“It is also interesting that Smith published a public record that said I has a business in 2011 that had $92,000 in revenue (actually the company has been defunct for 25 years, and it never had a tenth of the amount of revenue).  He may have a mistaken impression of my income.”

DrConspiracy A5 Hidden May 19 2013

Not long after their discussion we here at the WOBIK blog received two (2) take down notices from our web hosting company indicating that sensitive & private information had been published (Social Security Numbers) on the blog and that we had 24 hours (or perhaps it was 48) to remove the said information or otherwise be shut down.

The Social Security Numbers belonged to the mother and the father of Dr. Conspiracy.   Both persons are deceased and their Social Security Numbers are public information and available online in the Social Security Death Master File.

In any event, rather than debate with our web hosting company and risk being shut down we removed the two (2) Social Security Numbers.    After the said information was removed we did not encounter any additional problems.

Loren Collins recently showed up here at the WOBIK blog offering legal advice regarding my extradition to Kenya case (NOTE: It appears that he was being condescending or ‘playing along’ such as Great Kim aka Mik Tearg has been doing recently).  He indicated also that he would represent me, as my attorney, for free:

Lucas,

First, we’ve had our differences in the past, but you can trust me when I say that I have no desire to see anyone, even you, extradited to some foreign country to face spurious criminal charges. This is why extradition laws and practices are so particular, to avoid abuses where citizens of one country are suddenly exposed to the potentially unfair laws and practices of other countries. And the notion of a U.S. citizen being extradited to some third country while out of the U.S., on charges that he didn’t know EXISTED before leaving the U.S., truly and sincerely concerns me, both as an attorney and as an American.

This is why, as you can tell, I haven’t asked Bruce to take my word on ANYTHING. He expressed concern about what could be done to help you, and I have pointed him in the direction of people who can help. People with more knowledge on extradition than me, and people with actual governmental authority. I’ve provided links and phone numbers, the same ones anyone else would find by Googling for them. And my advice has mainly extended to what order he should contact them, under the circumstances, and what they can offer him. If there’s anything offensive or questionable in that advice, I have no idea what it could be. And I’m guessing that you agree that it’s good advice, because your post to Bruce is only about me, not about the information I shared.

Second, because an American being extradited to Kenya via the DR does concern me so much, I am willing to offer my own legal services to help in your extradition to Kenya. Pro bono. Now, of course, I understand if you don’t want to accept my offer. I admittedly have no experience in extradition, and I can tell that you don’t trust me. And because you don’t trust me, I expect that you would rather that Bruce be your intermediary with the attorneys and embassies than me. Nonetheless, the offer is there, I make it openly and sincerely, and you know how to reach me if you want to accept my help.

Third, since you portray me as being reflexively against you, let me remind you that when you posted several pictures of Obama Senior’s passport last year, *I* repeatedly voiced my belief that the photos were authentic, while others claimed they were fakes. And I was right, and your photos were real. I try my best to act on evidence, and just as I believed the evidence to favor the authenticity of those photos, I cannot idly accept an American being subjected to foreign law in this fashion. I’d be willing to put in the effort for you, despite our differences, and given how much closer you are with Bruce, I trust that he is certainly willing to at least make a few phone calls.”

My thoughts are that it appears that Collins is really and truly looking for the following:

a.   An extremely interesting and thought-provoking interview (an EXCLUSIVE!) with THE Bruce Steadman.

b.   Something to write about later down the road.

c.    An attempt to gather inside information.

d.   Marshalling evidence, which Collins can share with US authorities, to build a criminal case against me.

e.   Help Bruce understand that Lucas is really and truly bad, bad super bady person.

However, notwithstanding my observation that Loren is clearly and unequivocally acting in a condescending manner and ‘playing along’ (such as Great Kim aka Mik Taerg has been doing recently) and is decidedly probing for information which can be used against in a criminal/civil case and not to mention Lorens extraordinary obsession, fervent addiction and zealous lust to expose & debunk all that he personally deems and assesses as being a purveyor of falsehoods or itself being fraudulent or mythical . . . I might be accepting Loren’s offer.

I need to consider Loren’s offer and answer sometime on Monday (the 21st of April, 2014).

In closing the following are noted:

     1.  Loren Collins lives at 1154 Standard Drive NE, Atlanta, Georgia 30319.

     2.  Loren Collins is not currently practicing law. Why is that?  I don’t know, but perhaps he can share?  He works for (sort of, but not really) the Law Office of W Bryant Green III PC in Atlanta, Georgia.  However, he has been on “vacation” for more than two months now and he is NOT expected to return.

     3.   Loren Collins once wrote an article entitled, Confederate History Month Bill Honors Ignoble Past, which was published in Atlanta Journal-Constitution, April 24, 2009.  The article has been removed and the only online copy of it (and it may not be in its entire, I’m really not sure) that I have been able to find is one from April 27, 2009 which is located at http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/04/civil-war-preceeded-by-conerns-about.html

Loren Collins for U.S. Congress – Special Report from Loren Collins on Vimeo.

Loren Collins for Congress – iPolitics from Loren Collins on Vimeo.

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About Lucas Daniel Smith

“The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise…Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters.” – Kenneth John Freeman (from his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907)

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12 Responses to Attorney Loren Christopher Collins to represent (currently under consideration by me) Lucas Daniel Smith in extradition to Kenya case (Pro bono).

  1. Bruce says:

    It’s interesting and a bit puzzling to me why Loren did not include any mention of the ‘Lucas Daniel Smith, Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate’ in his extensive post “The Secret Origin of the Birther, Parts 1 and 2” (copyrights, June 2011) on his website – Birth of a Notion (birthofanotion.com). The post provides extensive coverage regarding the topic: Obama’s Kenyan Birth.

    http://birthofanotion.com/home/the-secret-origin-of-the-birthers
    http://birthofanotion.com/home/secret-origin-part-2

    The LDS, Obama Kenyan BC has been viewed and/or downloaded over 42,000 times from the WOBIK website alone, and its iconic image has been widely circulated via private distribution, published articles and YouTube videos, to many hundreds of thousands of folks, or perhaps even millions. Surely, the document has been a powerful force in the origin of the birther movement. Why no mention of either Lucas or his important document by Loren?

    Loren’s Bio:

    http://voteloren.com/bio.html

    I have downloaded to my Nook, Loren’s 2012 published book ‘Bullspotting’ and look forward to examining its content in detail.

    — Lucas Daniel Smith and Loren Christopher Collins
    — Two complex, strong-willed, highly intelligent and inherently skeptical individuals
    — Both seem to be ‘libertarian’ in their political views
    — Dealing with a very complex, internationally important, extradition case
    — I consider the case decision possibly a matter of ‘life or death’ for Lucas, all things considered
    — Time is running very short

    Can anything significant be accomplished without some minimal amount of trust between two individuals? Not likely, IMO.

    I would hope that something useful can be worked out, but realize this may not be possible.

    I assume Lucas has secured some reasonably good, local legal representation looking out for his ‘Dominican Republic’ interests in his current extradition challenge.

    It would be a big boost if Lucas could also obtain some good, affordable, legal representation to look out for his ‘American Citizen’ interests. It would make a much stronger case, if it can be accomplished.

    Is Loren a good choice for American legal representation in the extradition case?

    The decision is all up to Lucas. I look forward to learning his views on the matter this coming Monday.

  2. Loren says:

    Bruce,

    “Why no mention of either Lucas or his important document by Loren?”

    Because it was well outside the scope of those two articles. Those articles dealt with the *origins* of the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, starting with a blog comment in February 2008 and culminating in the release of Obama’s COLB in June 2008.

    Lucas didn’t appear on the scene until June 2009, a full year later, when he first put his document up for sale on eBay. As such, he didn’t have any impact on the origin of the claim, just its later development. You’ll notice that I also didn’t discuss, for instance, Orly Taitz or any lawsuits, because the first lawsuit was filed in August 2008, and Orly didn’t get involved until after the November 2008 election.

  3. Bruce says:

    @Loren
    OK – I understand – thanks

  4. @ Bruce:
    You are never going to believe this (at least that’s who the saying goes) but Loren Collins is in a play and he is character’s name is…Rick Steadman!

    If the last name was Smith or Williams fine but STEADMAN, what are the coincidences!

    http://www.stgplays.com/pages/plays/2013-2014/Nerd.html

    PS. I’m not implying anything (at least not yet, lol!) other than that it is remarkable.

    Is Steadman a fairly common name in Georgia?

  5. Loren says:

    “My thoughts are that it appears that Collins is really and truly looking for the following:”

    I’m sure Bruce is a nice guy, but this would be a roundabout way to get an interview with him. Moreover, I’m not sure why I would *want* to interview him. He obviously wants to help you but didn’t seem to know the best way to do so, and so I showed him how to do it himself. And because he obviously cares about you as a friend, I trust that now he’s not just sitting idly by, hoping for the best, but is instead actively *doing* something to help you.

    As far as writing about you or gathering evidence or criminal charges, I ended my blog last year. And I haven’t written a blog post *about* you since 2010. I have no idea what you even mean by a criminal case for US authorities. The only story here is an American citizen potentially being treated unjustly by a foreign government.

    Which is why I’m willing not just to encourage Bruce to help you out in some simple ways, but to put my time and energy where my mouth is, and help in a legal capacity.

  6. Bruce wrote:

    I have downloaded to my Nook, Loren’s 2012 published book ‘Bullspotting’ and look forward to examining its content in detail.

    Last year I order the paperback version of Loren’s book Bullspotting.

    Within the book Loren exposes, or ridicules, Orly Taitz for an apocryphal quotation, fake or inaccurate quotations, in a chapter titled, Quotations, because on Taitz’s website she quotes Mahatma Gandhi as saying:

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you,
    then you win.

    Loren states, in his book, that, …the quotation cannot be found in any of the works or records of Gandhi.

    Ironically, in the first paragraph of Chapter 1 (which Loren titled as ‘Baloney Detection’), of Loren’s book we find that Loren confidently and forcefully asserts that Ernest Hemingway said, in 1965, “Every man should have a built-in automatic crap detector operating inside him.”

    What’s wrong with that?

    Ernest Hemingway died on July 2, 1961
    just a month or so before Barack Hussein Obama II was born at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya.

    How could Ernest Hemingway have said anything in 1965 if he died in 1961? How did an erroneous assertion like that end up on the same page in which the author harps on ‘founts of misinformation’, ‘unreliable’ information and on the first page of a chapter entitled ‘Baloney Detection’?

    Furthermore:

    After publication of the book it became overtly and abundantly clear that the Loren had made the little mistake (misinformation, unreliable information or just plain baloney?) on page 15 of his book about finding facts in misinformation. Rather than admit that he made a small mistake on page 15 he chose to issue the following pubescent repudiation on January 20, 2013:

    “While I admit the phrasing could have been better, the Hemingway quote is not a mistake. In fact, it’s even footnoted with the original source. It is indeed an authentic Hemingway quote, which was first published in The Atlantic magazine in 1965, in an article by Robert Manning titled “Hemingway in Cuba.” The fact that the article was the product of several years of interviews with Hemingway is what resulted in it being published posthumously. I attributed the quote to the date of publication, unaware that Hemingway had died in the interim. And Manning’s name appears per Chicago Style citation rules, because he’s the author of the article wherein the quote was published.”

    Rather than admit he had indeed made a mistake (misinformation, lol) and find the humor in it as a confident and levelheaded person might do, and laugh at himself, Loren instead became atypically defensive and argued that the ‘quote is not a mistake’.

    If I were to find a garland of lost diaries written by the great George Washington Carver (he died in 1943) and publish them in the year 2013 I would not expect to find conscientious and levelheaded writers quoting Carver by saying that ‘George Washington Carver said this in 2013.’ It just doesn’t make sense.

  7. Loren wrote:

    Which is why I’m willing not just to encourage Bruce to help you out in some simple ways, but to put my time and energy where my mouth is, and help in a legal capacity.

    Alright, thanks. I am seriously considering your offer of legal aid and advocacy. I will answer on, or by, Monday.

  8. Bruce says:

    @ Lucas:

    Is Steadman a fairly common name in Georgia?

    According to the following website, which gives the frequency of names in the U.S. Census, the surname ‘Steadman’ is not very common:

    http://www.your-family-history.com/s/steadman-family-history.php

    Surname and Frequency, 1911 U.S. Census

    Steadman — 2,652
    Collins — 65,032
    Smith — 516,889

    As you can see from the above, ‘Steadman’ is very far down the list on surname frequency in the U.S. I believe the same general frequency trend would apply to Georgia.

  9. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

    Now we find out just how committed you are to this farce you’ve created LDS.
    If you don’t accept his help, we’ll know your lying.
    I forsee the extradition magically going away if you receive his help or not.
    Your a bullshit artist, Smith. Not a very good one, but bullshitting is what you do.

  10. Arthur says:

    The Rick Steadman character has been part of the play “The Nerd” ever since it first opened in 1981.

    They’ve been planning this for a long time!!

  11. Rambo Ike says:

    @ Andrew Vrba, PmG:

    You shouldn’t say that. You don’t know. What if Lucas gets extradited to Kenya and relatives from Obama’s tribe get him, and cook him in their pot? Wouldn’t you feel bad?

  12. Rambo Ike says:

    Its been proven once again it doesn’t take much to entertain Obots.

    Dr Con and his flock are spending Easter chatting it up and watching Lucas’s blog. Their forum looks like the monkey cage at the zoo after someone tossed in some bananas.

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